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what it will take to get this economy moving again, tax reform, using american energy, not foreign energy. >> thank you very much, governor, i'll let you off the hook there because i live in an apartment. you don't have to worry about mowing my lawn. >> good morning. it's monday, june 25th. welcome to "morning joe." monday, monday, monday. with us on set msnbc and "time" magazine senior political analyst mark halperin. hello. >> good morning. >> the president of the council on foreign relations richard haass and former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner. >> good morning. >> hello, rattner. how are you doing? >> lot going on. >> lot of news. start over in egypt. >> you want to go there? >> financi"financial times" tru the headlines, islamist wins the election. >> 16 months after millions of egyptians forced hosni mubarak to step down the head of the muslim brotherhood is set to take over as the country's new president. the announcement of mohamed

morsi's victory met by widespread celebrations in tahrir square. he becomes the arab world's first elected islamist head of state. he took in 52% of the vote in a runoff election against egypt's former prime minister. the transition, however, still faces significant hurdles, including long-standing tensions between the muslim brotherhood and the nation's secular military rulers. the army has recently seized new control over legislation and sharply limited the reach of presidential power. >> richard, what's the import of this? >> the answer is that the military in egypt decided they couldn't have a confrontation with the muslim brotherhood. they didn't want to have things move to the streets because they didn't want to face the choice of backing down or killing place. as mika said, there's still no constitution, there's no parliament and they've stripped the presidency of most of its power. >> i was going to say, how much

power by the end of the day will he have? >> by the end of the day i think he will have a lot. this sets the stage for a confrontation between the military and muslim brotherhood. and over time, i would put my bet with the muslim brotherhood. this is just the end of the beginning. long way to play out and there's a showdown coming between the muslim brotherhood and the military that doesn't want to let go of power and sooner or later, that showdown is going to be resolved and then i think we're going to find out what is the muslim brotherhood really plan to do with political power? a year ago these guys were in the streets or in jail. now they're one step away from running egypt. so, this just simply sets the stage for the confrontation. >> so the -- so the egyptian military this morning still in charge? >> absolutely. this is still mubarak is in charge of egypt, the military in charge of egypt. i don't see how they endure. >> we have a developing story where dozens of syrian troops have reported defected to turkey

including colonels and soldiers. turkey is warning nato action after one of its military jets was shot down by syria over the weekend. straining a tense situation in the region. turkey's president says the f-4 was testing radar inside turkey's brordser when it crossed into syrian territory. 15 minutes later the plane was shot down without warning after turkey says the jet had already returned to international air space. turkish officials are dismissing speculation that the plane was running a spy mission. the search continues for the two missing pilots. secretary of state hillary clinton called the attack brazen and unacceptable. turkey has backed international plans to transition syrian president bashar al assad from power. nato is expected to meet about the incident tomorrow. >> richard, back to you. it seems that now the syrians have unnecessarily upped the ante. >> it does. turkey is bringing this to nato.

turkey doesn't seem to be jumping all over this. not if they're looking for their version of a gulf event to try to go to war. what's happened to me, the larger story, beginning to see some unraveling around assad and i take that as good news. i actually think that this regime doesn't have that much longer to survive and not so much you're going to need a turkish or nato-led military intervention but more sanctions, diplomatic isolation, more arms with cia guidance. you're beginning to see the defections, the sunnis are peeling away interest the assad regime. that's the trend we want to see. >> mark halperin, what a huge week this week in washington, d.c., the eyes of the nation, of washington, the nation, on the supreme court. momentous decision coming down that could shape not only the way people get their health care, but how the auto he lex turns out in the end of the day. >> we've all tried to game out who's going to win. we can't say who's going to win

the election until we see what court decides and how both sides handle it. one interesting thing that became more clearer over the weekend governor romney is going to put himself front and center. he he's not going to leave it to members of congress and other people who have been involved in this debate. he's going to be front and center and an interesting debate about politics but policy. as you said, health care is going to have to be figured out whatever the court rules. >> and mika, certainly everybody was talking about it yesterday on the sunday shows. >> leading voices from both parties addressed the potential fallout to the health care ruling on nbc's "meet the press." >> i think it's a huge defeat of the supreme court moves forward to strike any part down, even just the individual mandate for the american people, just this week, several million kids got their health insurance. i think there's going to be a real uproar against a politicized supreme court. here they're making political decisions. this is a clear constitutional issue. the interstate commerce clause of the congress dictates that

this can happen. it's going to energize the democratic base and that is important for the president. >> the health care laws currently structured is discouraging job creation and expansion of business in america and that issue will continue to be faced through the laws of health and if the law is overturned republicans hopelefully we have the majority and president romney will have to come up with a way to replace what obama care does. >> steve rattner, looking at the week ahead, the big question is whether anthony kennedy decides to overturn obama care or not. what are you looking at? >> i have no idea what they're going to do. i think chief justice roberts is a complicating factor. he's made clear he'd rather not have a totally partisan court, he would like to have decisions by something other than a 5-4 majority. how he can make this work i don't know. the stakes are very high. from purely political and did-point losing this would be very tough for him during this election campaign and personally i think a wrong decision for the

country. >> could he build a bad outcome as -- into the narrative that the republicans, even the conservative court are part of what's stalling this country? >> i think it's hard. >> you know, rich, i have thought along, mark halperin, a loss could be a win for the democrats, then goy back to -- then i go back to -- >> a loss is a loss. >> bill clinton in '93 and '94, and '94 and '96, the guy got hammered around, loathed by a lot of people, but he figured out how to win. that's when i learned politically americans love winners. things can be going terribly for you, but if you get the big win, legislatively or any other way, they turn your way. they sense strength, sense power and my opinion is sort of shifting now. i think a loss here on the health care plan this week is bad news for the president

politically. >> i actually think whatever the court rules it's bad for the president and that's not my opinion, based on reporting including with a lot of democrats. if they uphold the law which is unpopular it's going to be a rallying cry for republicans. even if the law is upheld, advertising and campaign rhetoric from republicans will be all about health care. democrats will largely -- not more than a handful of democrats in the country who will put health care front and center. >> why are democrats hiding from health care? they spent -- they waste 18 months of a filibuster-proof majority fighting for health care reform. why are they all running away from it? >> personally, i think the health care bill law that reflects lots of compromises would be a great step forward. i think it would be up there along with medicare and a number of other things that have happened in terms of social programs that really make a long-term impact. but what you have to understand about this health care bill, is that it is heavily devoted

toward insuring the uninsured who come on. it does things for the other 320 million americans, children under 26, preexisting conditions, but fundamentally this bill is about insuring the uninsured. that's not the most popular thing. >> it's supposedly about controlling costs and the president believes that it will. he's not convinced any of the constituencies in the country, couldn't convince the media, republicans, business. >> cbo, everybody else has come out and said it's not going to control costs. we knew that when it passed. >> the idea you could extend insurance to 30 million more people and revenue or budget neutral nobody bought into that. >> and they kept fighting for it. so, i don't understand and so when do we expect -- when do we expect -- tuesday, wednesday? >> maybe today? >> thursday i think. >> yeah. >> i don't think it will be today. >> wow. >> how -- it could be a defeat for president obama clearly, clearly. i think we've come back to that.

how much of a gain for mitt romney looking at this purely politically in terms of the election? >> he wants to run on the lack of specifics and say i'm going to do things differently than the president. on the pipeline, on -- >> yeah but -- >> on health care. >> he's the godfather of this health care. >> godfather of it in massachusetts. >> can he run against a health care plan that he helped write? >> he can say what he said, which is i'll replace it, washington shouldn't tell the states what to do on health care. he survived the republican nominating fight finessing health care. that was the real challenge. in the general election his message is simple, the court, whether they -- if they strike it down he's going to say it needs to be replaced who do you want to replace it, me or the guy that wasted a year and half of the country's time and if they uphold it, country, you don't like the law only way to replace it is not through the court but a new president. i think he'll be very aggressive and yes, people in the press will continue to say, you passed a law like this in

massachusetts, but he will bold through it the way he did in the nominating fight. >> he's got a riff on this. he's got a riff of saying that it was right for massachusetts, doesn't mean it's right for every state and therefore what's the federal government doing mucking around here and let the states decide. if they want a health care like this that's fine. if they don't that's fine too. it's a little like what marco rubio was saying yesterday about the arizona, you know, law on immigration, which is may be right for arizona not right for florida. that's how they're sort of working through these thorny issues. >> over the weekend i was focused on europe, always focused on europe, reasons different than you. i was watching euro 2012 to watch the dreaded italians winning, but front page of the "financial times," spain is asking for another bailout. "the wall street journal" talks about a new austerity champion in the spanish government. banks, my gosh, all the banks

that got downgraded this past -- i guess it was on friday after we went off the air. what does that mean? does it keep getting worse? >> let's start with europe. so the spanish news isn't particularly new news. they asked for the bailout informally a while ago. this is the formal request. this is a big week in europe. may be a big week for health care but a big week in europe because you have a meeting of the eu ministers which people are going to expect something to happen. what europe really needs next is to do something to shore up its banks. the real scary part of europe which doesn't get as much attention is the idea that you could actually have a run on the bank in europe. you could have people start to pull their deposits from these banks in europe which would be devastating and something that would be very difficult for the ecb to be able to deal with. >> richard? >> so that's -- that's what the ministers are focused on for this week which is to try to put in place at least the framework for some kind of europe-wide banking system of aid and banking system of regulation and

it will be another week where if they actually do something, people will exhale and if they don't, it will be another high wire act. >> with europe on this issue we should prepare ourselves for further disappointment. this is not going to be a break-through week. can i talk about something good in europe. >> oh, my gosh, yes. >> i prefer you didn't, but go ahead. >> there's an extraordinary event this week. martin mcginness, one the leaders of shinfan in northern island, used to be one of the leaders of the provisional ira is going to meet the queen. you are going to have the queen in northern ireland shaking the hand of someone who has, shall we say, a past with terrorism. this is at least as big, if not bigger, in the british/irish context as yitzhak rabin shaking yasser arafat's hand. >> it's the next stage in the normalization of the northern ireland peace process becoming a place defined by the troubles for 3,000 people lost their

lives in years and years of essentially civil war becoming a normal part of europe now. this is an extraordinary development. literally in some ways brings to an end hundreds of years of tension between britain and ireland. >> who would have ever believed this, going back to the violence of the '70s, violence of the '80s, who would have believed this. you had a key role there, richard. we're going to give you all the credit for it. it is -- >> yes. >> george mitchell deserves, tony blair deserves the credit. one of those remarkable sort of milestones where i never thought in my lifetime i would ever see. the ira killed the queen's cousin, lord mountbat, less than 25 years ago. he gets killed along with other members of the family and now you have people willing to put the past behind. this is an extraordinary sort of symbol of what sometimes can happen in politics. we haven't seen anything like it in the middle east that's nice to see it here. >> so mark, let's go from the middle east to new york state.

"the new york times" profiling a guy that many believe will be running for president in 2016. the "times" talking about andrew cuomo and possibly running out of leverage over the same sex issue matter. talk about what he's doing and how he's gearing up already for 2016. >> well, be he got off to a fast start. albany is a tough place. i think the greatest achievement he's had from a process point of view is you had governor spitzer and governor pataki both thinking they were going to go to albany and change it. we have a sophisticated state and city here, entrenched most unsophisticated horrible legislatures in the country. >> it's just -- >> dysfunctional. >> it's an embarrassment to the state. part of why he got off to a fast start he figured out how to use carrots and sticks to get things through. he kept a low profile, stays off high-profile national interviews and he wants to be a national

leader and if we don't have a biden or clinton running in 2016 he is well positioned as anybody else to run. >> hillary is running, come on. rattner, hillary is running, isn't she? your friends with hillary and the family. she's running? >> i hope she does. i hope she does. i think she's incredibly talented and think she has a lot more to give. >> what did you and all your friends in the european enclave have to say? do they want her to run? >> they look her too. >> i have to bring this up. come on, give me a full page here. we have to my left, richard haass, new york yankees fan, to my right, steve rattner, he's been suffering with the mets for a long time. it was a heck of a series, guys. a heck of a series. at the end of the day, though, your mets and your yankees it. >> two out three, yankees won the series, sa bath thee ya beat dicky. >> we sort of won.

we was robbed. >> steve rattner, the fact that fred wilpon's team is doing this well, deep into june, what a surprise. they looked good this weekend. they looked very good against the best team in -- one of the best teams in baseball. >> it's an amazing story given what happened with the payroll over the winter and what people expected from them they've had great pitching, their defense not as good but seems to hang together at some critical moments and hitting the ball occasionally. >> both games saturday and sunday were great games. >> mika would say you got to believe. >> yeah. that's what i -- all weekend long i had so much time, i sat there by the tv watching sports. >> you should have. >> yeah. >> she's very contempt maytive sitting by huge rose bushes all weekend thinking about the future. >> exactly. it's funny -- >> the high-scoring italy/england game. >> i kicked back and read the international herald tribune in my spare time, hours and hours.

>> did you see italy? >> horrible. >> it was painful. >> it was painful. >> all right. >> coming up on "morning joe," "time" magazine's joe klein just back from his third annual campaign road trip will tell us what he's learned from his three weeks on the road. also with us academy-award winning film producer harvey weinstein here to discuss his latest film and other summer movies that catch his eye and congressman tom price and former congresswoman jane harman will join the conversation, first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> good morning, mika. tropical storm debby ruined everyone's weekend in florida especially along the west coast. we had tornadoes, we had flooding and it continues today. let me show you the latest on debby. the storm is lingering south of ap latch cola, florida. five days from now i'll still be talking about this storm in a similar location. this was not a good week if anyone chose to go down there for vacation or live there. you're going to be ducking thunderstorms and heavy rain on and off.

tornado watches issued from daytona beach to orlando to tampa. the storm is weak at 50 mile per hour and i mentioned how slow this system is going to be crawling. five days from now the hurricane center has this storm barely moving into north florida. that means a lot of heavy rain is on the way for areas of southern georgia and especially central and north florida. oh, yeah, by the way, we have a historic heat wave taking place from texas to montana. denver has been ridiculous, the new phoenix, 100 degree heat over the weekend. it's going to continue until about wednesday. in the middle of the country, nothing is going to change. very hot conditions for you and our friends in the northeast rain is on the way shortly moving into philadelphia and new york city. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks.

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25 past the hour. beautiful shot of the white house as the sun comes up over washington, d.c. welcome back to "morning joe"." [ inaudible ]. >> dudes! >> with us now, chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen here with the morning playbook. mike, good morning. happy monday. >> happy monday to you, mika. just back from oshkosh where with your help we had a surprise birthday party for joan vandehei. >> 70 years old. >> right after mary jo scarborough's birthday in comes joanie and she was really surprised because it's not until july 9th. we totally took her by surprise. she thought she was going to dinner at primo. she walks in and bang, there's friends and family from all over the country. >> cool. >> cake, photos of her from all

throughout her life. good time and a little place called america, oshkosh, wisconsin. >> i love it. >> did she like our video? >> thank you very much. very fun video. thank you for helping with that. >> i'm sure she's watching right now. >> yes. >> her birthday was all about our video. >> did your mother have a perfect birthday? >> my mother had a fantastic birthday. mary jo scarborough, 80 and it's unbelievable getting younger by the day. >> she's fantastic. >> she is. my mother, you know, i'm an old man, but my mother you've seen her gets down on the floor, picks up our -- my 4-year-old kid, takes him over. >> strong. don't mess with her. >> my mom is amazing. >> she is. >> great health, great shape. >> good genes. >> perfect, actually. >> all right. >> this side of the family. >> you're good. let's talk politics. the obama campaign has big election issues on its plate.

but they're focusing on smaller, local issues. what's the strategy and what are they? >> yeah, mika, we've talked here on "morning joe" about how you can look at the obama campaign as a series of senate races in just a couple states, florida, colorado, virginia. and they're doing this with issues, at the same time worrying about economy, jobs, and health care and going after issues that affect the economies there and can move voters. down in florida you have big fish are big trouble. they've banned the import of the burmese python and other dangerous fish that's an issue that has people there excited and around the great lakes where you have all those electorally sensitive states, pennsylvania, wisconsin, ohio, michigan, they have a carp czar who is working on invasive species there. >> carp czar. >> carp czar.

>> one more letter, right. >> a "p." >> add a "p" and you're a carp czar. >> from florida to massachusetts, elizabeth warren gone from major support from president obama. tell us how he's going to be helping her throughout this campaign, which is -- >> is she helping him? >> which has been a little tougher of late? >> exactly. she tweeted last night the news that today when the president is in new england he's making appearances in new hampshire, massachusetts she's going to be introducing him. so a huge thing for her. tons of coverage in massachusetts after her campaign is feeling good after a rough couple days. breaking story politico just posted that i think is going to be a huge story in the days ahead, who thought we could have more washington news this week, but lockheed martin, the world's largest defense contractor, tells us that in order to try to -- anticipation of the budget cuts, would automatically kick in at the end of the year, they

may send layoff notices to what they told us is the vast majority of their 123,000 workers in the united states. >> oh, my gosh. >> we could have layoff notices going to tens of thousands of defense contractors in very politically sensitive states and the politico story points out this is probably a leading indicator of what other defense contractors will do in negotiating with the administration, trying to get some certainty about what's going to happen. lockheed martin says they've been frustrating in dealing with the white house budget office, don't know what's going to happen so as insurance they're going it send out layoff notices. most of these people won't lose their jobs but this is going to create incredible turmoil. >> this is sequestration. i tell the story about my dad, being unemployed for 18 months, he worked for lockheed in the early '70s, rolls-royce, went bankrupt, chain effect and we were out for 18 months and this

case, you've got lockheed martin workers over 100,000 that may be losing their jobs because of sequestration at the end of the year. >> it's not quite that way. what this is is the pentagon won't be specific about what would happen if another 8.5% is cut out of the defense budget and people on the defense industry are extraordinarily frustrated with it. all 100,000 would not lose their jobs. perhaps a few thousand would. this is the way that the industry is pushing back against the pentagon saying you have to give us guidance. you have to plan for sequestration. the pentagon has been refusing to plan for sequestration. >> this is a political move, right? >> yeah. >> do you really want talk out there of another 123,000 people out of work. well, if not you had better step up and start telling us what you're going to do. >> but the pentagon refuses to say what they're going to do because their position is if we start planning for se questions stration we send the signal we could live with it. >> well -- >> if they prepare for it, they

lose leverage with house republicans. they think if they have to have the fiscal cliff they have to have disaster to get a deal in the lame-duck session. >> expect republicans to be talking about barack obama costing another 123,000 jobs. et cetera. you can finish the sentence, finish the press conference. coming up next -- >> thank you. >> the -- thanks a lot, mike. >> coming up next, hated to see it happen but maybe it was time. right? the red sox trade away one of the last remaining members of the fabled 2004 world series championship team of idiots. self-described idiots. and yes, they acted like idiots. but we got the ring. will it be good for the team? who it is in sports, straight ahead. also -- the morning papers from today. mika and i will be back with "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. with the spark cash card from capital one,

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welcome back to "morning joe." time to take au look at the morning papers. there are apparently, somebody help me out, who called whom the chicken in the yankees/mets series? >> frank francisco. >> called yankee batters a bunch of chickens. well, the tabloids in new york have their response. chicken dance. right here. "the daily news." i don't understand what this one

means, mika. maybe you can help me out. pluck, yeah! >> there's some advice in the style section of "the washington post" about how to rid one's self as a reputation as a one upper. >> oh, i can tell you a much better way than they suggest. >> really? >> yeah. go ahead. >> also on the front page of the "new york times," a really interesting article about towns and trying to make up for their budget shortfalls. advertising on things like fire hydrants and -- >> wow. >> ambulances. school busses. really? >> it's all good. >> it's bad. even rescue helicopters. really? >> very interested in world news inside of "financial times" talking about the possibility of a housing crisis in china. and we've been talking about it a couple years. if a bubble comes in china, that's going to have an impact, obviously, across the world

economically. >> let's take a look at "usa today." a new poll shows president obama scoring major points with hispanic voters following his recent announcement that the u.s. government would stop the deportation of young, undocumented immigrants. by a wide margin, 82% of latinos approve of the president's plan and when it comes to the general election, president obama enjoys a 41-point lead over mitt romney among hispanics. >> it is interesting, though, in the same poll, there is some talk about how younger hispanic voters seem to trend republican. >> also in "usa today" a new study finds women over 50 are struggling from the same body image issues as teenage girls. about 13% of women over 50 report bingeing, purging and other serious eating disorders. >> that's interesting. i don't know why. i don't have body image problems. what do you think? the "new york daily news" -- >> i also don't have socks.

i got a lot of problems going on. newark mayor cory booker comes to the rescue of his constituents again. i love these stories. >> did he say -- >> tweeting he was one of several people -- >> oh, my god. >> who helped a pedestrian hit by a car in april. booker rushed into the burning home to save a woman and then made sure to take a picture, a twit pic. >> he's got to stop. >> of rescuing the baby. >> is it just me or is it a little forced? >> i don't know, mika. i don't know. let's go to our parade of pages. >> "l.a. times" jeopardy host alex trebek expected to make a full recovery after suffering a mild heart attack. sony television said the 71-year-old was admitted in l.a. he was hospitalized -- >> can i ask you a question -- >> in 2007. >> i need help here as we look at trebek. was he actually wearing clothes this time? >> stop it. >> wasn't he the guy that

chased -- >> mild heart attack. >> a woman down the hall naked in a motel room. >> that was a robber and not cory booker. >> he let us know he ran down -- >> it was trebek. >> naked. >> put on my underwear. >> not in my underwear. >> i'm not sure this segment works. >> too much information. >> must-read opinion pages. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. >> are we still brewed by them? >> yeah. stay in the moment sanya

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and focus on the things that matter to you. there it is ! there it is ! where ? where ? it's getting away ! where is it ? it's gone. we'll find it. any day can be an adventure. that's why we got a subaru. love wherever the road takes you. wow, there it is. that's nice. >> welcome back to "morning joe." >> it's 43 past the hour. >> 43 past the hour. >> time for the must-read opinion pages. >> what summer plans do you have? >> staying right here.

>> staying in the city? >> writing a book and play golf. >> what are you going to write a book about? >> about international relations and what united states should do about it. >> that sounds like a fun summer. >> wherever mitt romney and barack obama take bus trips i'll be there. >> any holiday plans? >> no, not this summer. >> going to nantucket to help the kids, maybe down to seaside, florida? >> you're not going to do that? >> few months away from the election. >> steve rattner -- >> the bus trips are like a vacation. >> china today, but that's work. >> wow. >> and then vacation martha's vineyard. >> good. very good. >> we'll be lobbing mortar shells over from nantucket. >> what about you, mika? >> going to stockholm. >> why are you going to stockholm? >> i'm going to visit my brother. >> why is your brother in stockholm? >> come on now. don't -- it's fine. he's there working. >> he's also the ambassador to

sweden. that's going to be exciting. >> it will be really interesting. >> great. your whole family going over there? >> my other brother ian the republican. >> going too. >> that will be terrible. >> we're going to fight. >> partisanship. >> stockholm. exactly. >> i'm nervous. let's go to "the new york times." what sheldon adelson wants. sheldon adelson the perfect illustration of the squall lid state of political money spending sums greater than any political donation in history to advance his personal ideological and financial agenda which is wildly at odds with the nation's needs. he spent $20 million to prop up newt gingrich, failed candidacy for the republican nomination. now he has given $10 million to a mitt romney super pac and has pledged at least $10 million to crossroads gps founded by karl rove running attack ads against mr. obama and other democrats. another $10 million will probably go to a similar group

founded by the coke brothers and $10 million to republican congressional super pacs. that's $60 million we know of. other huge donations may be secret and may be only a down payment. >> this is terrible because i know they were awfully concerned with the afl-cio spent $100 million. god, that was back in 1996. just against republicans. four years ago when barack obama decided to break his word two or three times -- >> come on -- >> on his campaign. >> and all those soros editorials. >> all those editorials about george soros money. >> you don't agree at all? >> of course i agree with it. >> just one reason. >> of course i agree with it. i think it's a per version of the political system and think it's unfortunate that you only get one side of the story from the editorial page. where are all the george soros' editorials. >> there might be some. >> i have tried down this path before.

>> let's just say that there has never been the intensity and senator bob kerrey said at the end of 2008 any democrat can't complain about too much money in political campaigns is a hypocrite. after what barack obama did back in 2008. but now, democrats don't have the advantage, so we start getting these type of editorials again. when democrats have the advantage suddenly there's no campaign finance reform need according to the "new york times" editorial page. >> didn't say that. but guess what? >> to me the more pressing money issue is now barack obama and mitt romney are still a few months away from election day, spending most of their time at fund-raisers. >> so that. >> -- >> can i just say -- can i blow myself up right here. >> no. i would prefer you did not do that. >> this is a really gross campaign. you've got all of these people spending just billions of

dollars, you've got two candidates who are saying nothing. right? like, you know, we hear the big news. i call up in the middle of the night, what's going on? mitt romney gave a speech on economics and barack obama responded. i fell asleep halfway through the conversation because you know they're not saying anything of significance. they're not going to get out there and give us a plan to turn the economy around. they're not going to give us a plan to save social security. they're not going to give us a plan to save medicare. they're not going to give us a plan to save medicaid. they're not going to give us a plan to stimulate the economy in the short term to get people back to work. they're saying nothing but they're spending more money than ever before to say it. richard haass, this is a gross, repulsive campaign, that is sound and fury signifying nothing. >> but it's okay because both the world and the u.s. economy are in such good shape. >> we're good, no problem. >> you know what -- >> steve rattner. >> that makes me feel better.

>> is it not true we're spending more money than ever before with two candidates that are saying less than ever before. >> i think when you get to the -- when you get a little past the sound bite from mitt romney's point of view there's really no incentive to say anything. he's basically trying to hold the ball and attack obama and win that way. for president obama, it's a complicated -- it's a complicated explanation. those of us who believe firmly that this xwle is much better off for what he did over the last three years. >> right. >> but with 8.2% unemployment it's a hard case to make. >> but the way the president makes the case is not by defending a tough record over the past four years. it's been telling us what he's going to do over the next four years. he's not doing that. >> well, he has. maybe it hasn't gotten much attention but he has bills in front of congress that would deal with the current unemployment problem and nobody's doing anything. >> come on. come on. that's -- it's all mishmash. it's nothing. you know it's nothing. it's not going to do anything to kickstart the economy.

>> this is the "seinfeld" campaign, write it down, 6:48 a.m., let's see, what's today, june 25th, michele bachma mika t the "seinfeld" campaign, a campaign about nothing. >> besides what we've said before we have big challenges. these are two serious guys that could have a serious discussion. sit them down with al simpson and bowls and let them talk about dealing with the fiscal cliff. >> why can't they do that? why can't barack obama -- >> hasn't really -- >> why can't barack obama be seen in the same area code withers kin bowles and alan simpson? >> he does not have an incentive to be specific about dealing with entitlements. >> it's the debt commission and they threw them both under the bus and asked the bus to back up just for the sport of it. >> neither wants to be specific and all of us who have any

influence on this should be pressing for formats and forums to get them to be specific. ta three 90-minute debates is not going to do it. >> they're going to talk in sound bites and say absolutely nothing. steve, i mean, you and i know, richard, you know, we've all talked about this before, mark, you haven't spoken as much about it because you're reporting on the campaign, come on. this isn't that hard. you go out and you tell people we're going to have to slow down the rate of medicare and medicaid over the next 30 years, we have to reform the tax system to make it fairer, make it flatter, to make us compete more across the globe. bill clinton is saying this stuff. and that if we're going to have to cut back on defense spending over the next 20 years and when we take care of the long-term debt that's going to free up short-term investment that will kickstart the economy where we invest in r and d, education, where we invest in

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the news from boston is long-time third baseman kevin youkilis has found himself on a first place team after he was traded to the white sox yesterday for two players and $5.5 million. the so-called greek god tripled in his last at-bat against the braves after sliding in safely at third, youklis was lifted for a pinch runner to a roaring ovation and showed the fenway faithful love with the tip of his helmet. he's expected to make his debut for the south siders tonight against the twins and that means with youklis gone only david, big papi ortiz remains from the red sox team of 2004. other key players have retired or moveden to different teams or failed video game ventures. after beating the braves 9-4 yesterday the red sox record stands at 38 wins and 34 losses, 5 1/2 games off the al east, and that's amazing considering how many injuries they've had. >> yeah. >> orioles welcoming the

nationals, camden yards and the battle of the beltway. eighth inning, o's down 1-0 until matt wheaters hammers the pitch to deep left centerfield, two-run home run and put the orioles on top. trying to close it out, nates have a man on first, breaks for second and wheaters showing off the gun, brings him down. orioles close out with the series with a 2-1 win. i was at that game. i threw my sausage down in disgust at the home run. >> i threw down my sausage. the best food in camden yard. i would say it's the best ballpark food in america. >> i like fenway. >> it's not tofu. >> seattle. >> all right. >> not tofu. >> thank you. >> great to see you guys. >> who is your favorite senator? walter johnson is a -- >> harman killebrew. maybe harman will have a good second half.

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columbia university, dr. jeffrey sachs and just back from his third annual road trip "time" political columnist joe klein and apparently he didn't give me my gift. >> first let's talk, we have -- >> folks in chapel hill have granola for you. >> i like it. >> remember the jam? >> great song. so joe, you went out on this tour and everywhere you go they're like -- >> "morning joe" watchers. thanks, guys. >> helping joe heads that throw -- >> thanks for helping to promote this. a lot of viewers e-mailed me. over 40 town meetings in over 21 days. >> my gosh. >> it's a "seinfeld" campaign out there too. >> really? >> three -- when i went out two years ago people were scared -- >> y coined the phrase. >> we did it together. >> campaign about nothing. >> people were scared to death two years ago when i went out. last year when i went out they were like frustrated. why can't washington do anything. this year they are just ticked

off. >> yeah. >> what's the matter with those people? why can't they do a thing? they kind of like the president, but they don't think he's much of a leader. i didn't meet one person on the trip who said wow, mitt romney is the greatest candidate. >> people don't get excited about mitt. if they vote for him they're voting for him -- for reasons other than mitt. >> only one thing that obama has done that's made a major difference that's going to make a major difference in this election when you see it from the ground up and that is the auto bailout. >> you hear that when you're out there. >> huge in ohio and michigan. sherrod brown, the democratic senator from ohio, talks about the chevy cruz, assembled in lordstown, running triple shifts there. the engine comes from defiance, the transmission comes from toledo. the steel comes from toledo. aluminum comes from cleveland. he goes all the way down to the seat covers. >> yeah. >> calls it the ohio car. >> the ohio car. and jeffrey sachs, be we've got to say, though you are not

bringing us back granola from chapel hill you say we're fairly big in thecongo. >> i was in rio, you're big in rio too. >> i was at -- >> how did people watch in rio and you say -- >> just kidding. >> no, i'm not kidding. >> what? >> they're watching. >> by satellite or what? >> everywhere. you walk along the beach and say saw you on "morning joe." >> that is crazy. bizarre. >> so let's -- the news out there, i was in rio at the g-20 summit in mexico and, you know, there isn't a place on this planet having a good economic run. it's -- it was pretty bad news all over the place and i think it's going to come back and hit us hard this summer would be my guess. >> and all over europe. i just read something in "financial times" about the china housing bubble that appears to be coming our way.

>> let's talk -- >> this is -- it is a kind of simultaneous wave now of slow down, because europe is hitting hard, the banks are in trouble everywhere, our banks got downgraded again last week. europe's banks are getting hit. china's really slowing down. whether it's very short term or not is an open question. brazil is slowing down. so, all of these waves which have been going at different amplitudes and different coherence, now are all synchronized right now. it's not good. >> let's follow up on this theme that we talked about last hour. the campaign about nothing. mika called it the "seinfeld" campaign. and we were -- we were playing that off of a "new york times" editorial talking about the massive amounts of money that are pouring into this campaign, but it seems like we've got candidates who are going to be spending more money than ever

before saying less and less and less. they're not taking about real health care reform. they're not talking about how you save medicare. they're not talking about how you save medicaid. they're not talking about social security. they're not talking about immigration. they'll dance around it but try to nail them down on specifics they're not talking about any of the big tax reform, not talking about fairness, not talking about wall street. they have sound bites but try to get them into details and they both run for the exits. >> it's not a coincidence because the big money, which pours into both parties, from essentially the same sources, has frozen our politics. you know, people say it's because the two sides are polarizeded. i don't think so. i think -- >> i think they are. >> it's the big money that means the status quo dominates. status quo dominates in energy, status quo dominates in fi nansz, status quo dominates in tax policy.

neither side says anything. this is what you see about politics around the world right now, which is these politicians feel they have no room for maneuver at all. >> how depressing. this is why people don't come out and vote and that's what joe was talking about. >> another way to put it, election of lesser evils you write about joe, both romney and obama have problems in the heartland, but romney's are more serious. people have mixed feelings about the president, most are disappointed that he didn't turn out to be superman, but they credit him for trying hard and for being smart, honest and benign. others have legitimate policy beefs with the obama administration. especially environmental and regulatory complaints in the coal country of southeastern ohio. and then there are some who see him as the devil incarnate. romney on the other hand, inspires very little passion, one way or the other. mid western businessmen tend it trust him for that reason but most of his other supporters simply see him as the lesser of two evils at best. >> and boy, you know what, you

heard that in ohio. i was back home in northwest florida for my mom's 80th birthday. i had a lot of people come up to me that voted for me, thand the grab me and whisper going, can romney win? nobody -- nobody -- i have yet to hear anybody in four years come up to me saying that they're excited about romney. i even heard people in '96 come up and say they're excited about bob dole. >> right. bob dole was a decent -- >> or john mccain. like john mccain. he wasn't a conservative but even conservatives would say to me, you know what, fought for us, gave his all for us, i'm voting for john mccain and i'm proud of that. >> bob dole and john mccain had the advantage of being actual human beings. they would occasionally -- >> i mean mitt -- >> they would take positions inconvenient for themselves and

against the base. we haven't seen -- >> mitt's a good dadded. seems to be a good man. but on the campaign trail he does seem mechanical. >> he simply never goes against his focus groups. that's, you know, or the base. republican party base. can i say something -- >> who does? >> well -- >> barack obama? >> obama hasn't either. you know who did was george w. bush. on things like social security. and the iraq war. >> you got to give george w. bush credit. he wasn't against his base, supporting the auto bailout. i mean, but -- obama you're right. >> george w. bush didn't. >> didn't support the auto bailout, did he? >> he came out and he post-presidency and said i would have done that. >> ran against the base on t.a.r.p. -- >> bush went against his base repeatedly but you're right neither of these guys are going against their focus groups. >> can i just say this about

money. the thing is, that all of these gazillions of dollars being poured in, but when you see the campaign from the bottom up, the politicians and the funders don't seem to realize we have this new invention called a clicker. and when people see political ads come up, they either mute them or move to the next channel. >> mentally. >> this is an enormous waste of money. these things -- political ad work in a situation like romney versus gingrich in iowa where romney had money, gingrich had no money and romney could nuke him. when you have both sides coming up with negative ads about each other, the only thing that happens is the -- is voters suppression. >> mika, two years ago, we -- i have a lot of friends that live in connecticut. >> yes. >> you have lived in connecticut. >> i was a reporter in connecticut for over ten years. >> we both know a lot of people in connecticut. >> i do. yes. >> two years ago, republicans, democrats, independents alike,

were so sick and tired of mcmahon's 30-second ads and flyers, they just shut her off. i bring her up not to pick on her, but just to say -- >> a good example. >> we're going to have na nationwide this year because there's going to be all of this money and barack obama and mitt romney, other than the base, base is going to be yelling, how can you say that, they're going to say next to nothing, they're going to talk in sound bites and america is going to shut them off. it's going to be the linda mcmahon campaign. >> we're in grave times and you can argue you wonder if people understand that but the biggest example of not really comprehending how grave these times are, it would be members of congress. it would be everybody in office who do not give a dam, apparently, what happens to this economy. because they're too worried about winning the next election. >> i'll tell you, one thing that i found in a number of states, north carolina, virginia,

michigan, conservative republicans are angry at the state legislatures because they're pushing all of these social issues. you know, the gay referendum in north carolina, in michigan i talked to a bunch of first responders all voted for rick snyder for governor, all ticked off at him because in the state legislature you're getting the va gina monologues, no helmet rule, they're trying to limit research money to the university of michigan because of stem cells, they're trying to put abortion providers out of business and the first responders are saying the cops, firefighters saying we have a lousy economy why won't the republican legislature deal with that. >> that's said in north carolina, put that in the republican column. that's republican. but i understand what you're saying. >> it's going to be closer because of that in virginia it may hurt the republicans. >> yeah. >> we'll see. mark halperin, though, are you hearing the same thing out on the campaign trail? >> there's just a total

disconnect and there's not a lot of enthusiasm for either candidate and neither of them is doing anything to build enthusiasm. they're mostly being negative. again, i think we they have to figure out a way to make them have a real debate. every day they're doing one meaningless public event and fund-raising showing no signs of ending. >> as jeffrey said, they hold a focus group the week before, they figure out what words make the blips go up a little bit, put it in a speech and give it -- one to barack obama the other to mitt romney, they give the speech and america yawns. >> yeah. >> and again, we we're at a tim when europe is at a tipping point, greece is at a tipping point, italy is at a tipping point. china may start flatlining. all across the world the economy is in bad shape we're all interconnected, all of our banks are being downgraded and we've got a president, a republican

nominee, and a congress that are playing like it's 1999. >> but it was stunning at the g-20 meeting which was in mexico last week, you had all of the world's most powerful leaders supposedly sit around the table for two days, not one of them moves anywhere. politics is so locked in country by country even as we're approaching this terrible phase right now, nobody has anything useful to say. >> what do they fear? >> they fear their own narrow electorates, may fear their funders, powerful interest groups in their countries. but nobody has a vision that is going beyond the very short term. >> nothing can be more of an example of that than -- i hate to pick on mitt romney, but it's too easy -- >> it's what you do. >> his position or lack thereof on whether or not he would repeal the president's executive order on immigration which he could not answer.

hold on. >> fair enough. >> could not answer and then finally yesterday, i believe on "state of the union" or some sunday program, his senior adviser says he might be. >> fair enough. >> god. >> let's take the next step, mark halperin, to this president who made all of these promises on immigration and he waits until this critical point and you can't even nail him down on specifics of his own immigration plan. >> it is why -- >> explain that. you can't nail the president down on this -- >> that's not fair. that's not fair. >> he does have a general set of policies that they pursued and couldn't get through because they don't have republican partners. in general you talk to any person in the country, whatever economic group they're in, as joe said, they're incredulous that washington can't get anything done, their focus isn't right and neither of these candidates -- you can talk to democrats galore who have bad things to say about the president and republicans galore

about mitt romney. it's not partisan. it's patriotic. they want things fixed. >> that's absolutely right. the other thing we should point out, we may be the day before an earthquake right now. i mean, as soon as the supreme court decision comes down, on health care, that may dislodge a whole lot of stuff on a whole lot of issues. it's going to shake up the conversation in the campaign in ways wi s wits with can't predi. we're watching nothing happen. tomorrow, if this decision comes down tomorrow, something is going to happen. >> just think, i mean the impact if that blows up, what's the impact of the sweetheart deals that big farma did with the white house, the big hospital associations did with the white house behind closed doors. i, of course, am being sarcastic here. maybe dr. sachs, maybe we can get real health care reform the next time around. >> we didn't get any significant reform because this is just another case where the -- the existing interest groups got

their way on every major issue. and we have the most expensive health care system in the world by at least 50%, nothing was done to really bring that down. >> i have to dispute that. >> well you don't dispute how expensive it is. >> no, but this health care reform is not insignificant to the 30 million people who are -- who go to work every day without health insurance. >> i agree with that. just on the question of -- we've been discussing for years about the costs of the system. >> yeah. oh, no. this way we talked about -- >> i mean, joe, there are cheaper ways. it is -- >> oh, yeah. >> look at our health care system we could write those 31 million people a check to get into an hmo plan that would be cheaper than what we do right now. as you say, dr. sachs -- >> we don't do anything for them right now. they go to emergency rooms. >> exactly. and that's immoral and we've got to figure out a way to be more efficient about it. jeffrey sachs as you say, we spend more money on health care per person than any country on the planet.

we spend more money on education per pupil than any country on the planet. the inefficiencies are extraordinary here. and all i'm saying is, maybe the next time we tackle health care reform, be maybe we can figure out a way to do it without first of all cooking -- cooking the deal behind closed doors. >> well, maybe you can have your doctor from the cleveland clinic testify on the hill. >> i would like that. >> it's about fee for service medicine. that's how we bring costs under control. we talked about this last time. >> were you here last time when we talked about that? >> not on this but we've been talking about it for years and none of this was brought into the reform and when the e-mails came out with pharma, they just confirmed what we really knew basically which was that deals were struck to get this through. it's no different, the democrats, the republicans. that's why the system is broken, not the polarization but both sides face the same interests,

support the same vested interests. we can't move. >> get paid off by the special interests. >> of course. >> exactly. >> all right. joe klein, when you come back will you please bring my gifts from the road. thank you very much. thanks for being on today. >> what did i get? a bag of rocks? >> lump of coal. >> they like her. they don't like you so much. >> we know that. >> nicest -- >> you're in chapel hill. they're all pot smoking -- >> mika's sidekick. >> yeah. something like that. mika keeps interrupting you. their second comment. dr. jeffrey sachs. up next, from the impending supreme court ruling on the president's health care law, to the fast and furious investigation we'll talk about the big week in washington with the chairman of the house republican policy committee congressman tom price, also president of the woodrow wilson center former congresswoman jane harman, watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. stay in the moment sanya

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joining us now republican congressman from georgia, representative tom price. going to defend congress. good luck. >> good luck. >> dr. tom price chairman of the house committee. joining the table former democratic congresswoman from california, now president of the woodrow wilson international center for scholars jane harman. >> congressman, start with you, kicking the tar out of your institution. >> nothing is getting -- >> well deserved 9% approval rating nationally. >> the "seinfeld" campaign. >> what's happening? >> in the area of health care

everybody is on hold. they're waiting for the supreme court to rule. legislative branch we're waiting, legislative branch churning out the rules. it will come down this week. >> nothing seems to get done in washington. you guys pass bills. goes over to the senate. harry reid the pocket veto. the president is not vetoing bills. nothing is happening. >> because nothing is getting through. the challenge that we have and sadly is that the president seems to have said that congress can't get anything done so if congress get the something done it really harms his narrative and so my sense is they don't want anything to get done. which is really a shame because the house has passed in a bipartisan way frankly, so many pieces of legislation, whether appropriations bills or whether bills to get this economy rolling again and they sit over on senator reid's desk. >> in the end, senator reid would say they're too conservative, out of the main stream and the president would never sign them anyway. >> the big stuff isn't getting

done. simpson-bowles the right template i've heard you talk about this forever for economic reform. ought to be some form of infrastructure bank, out of transportation, if health care goes down, i'm not going to defend it as a perfect bill although i voted for it, if it goes down congress needs to do something. that won't happen. >> that will be more of nothing getting done. a big unraveling of one of the biggest things that was done. >> think about what our process is. the house passes something, the senate doesn't agree with it it ought to pass something and go to conference -- >> ought to be conferences. the leadership goes around the conferences. >> but again, that's what usually happens if you remember i'm just a -- i'm only a bill. the way it happens the house passes something, the senate passes something, they disagree, they go to conference, they figure out the differences, it works, and then go to the president what has happened over the past several years the house passes something and sits on it.

the senate hasn't passed a budget, jane, we talk about this all the time and by the way the senate has great -- a guy i love, a great budget chairman, even he is frustrated. he made the announcement i'm going to pass a bill, they took him inside of a bemeeting, beat the heck out of him, said we're not going to pass a budget after all. >> it's tragic. people are still trying in the senate. >> what's happening over there? >> in the senate? >> that's not your -- but there are meetings of key senators, we were talking about saxby chambliss, mark udall, mark warner, all of whom are very interested in doing -- going big. the template has been on the table for two years. i wrote an op-ed with vin weber last summer saying it was a mistake not to introduce it after the commission that obama formed reported but nonetheless there have been times all along the way to introduce it. nothing has happened. >> and jeffery, when you have

everybody from tom coburn to dick durbin, two guys who are as ideologically apart as possible saying we need to do something, and they actually locked arms together at a political risk to themselves, and then the president sat back and said i'm not going to touch that, there's a problem. >> we've been stuck on the basic budget issues for years and there is no compromise. the compromise is more taxes and cuts in spending. and we can't get that basic compromise. so what are we doing? we're at the lowest level of tax collections as a share of national income that we've been in decades. the budget continues to hedge raj. you can't solve this by cutting. what's going to happen? >> the fact of the matter is, the last thing that anybody needs or wants is higher taxes to chase ever increasing spending. you got to get spending under control and grow the economy. and when you grow the economy the revenue increases. now we're not opposed to changes in the tax system.

in fact, we've proposed through our budget a significant reform of the tax system that would close the loop holes that everybody is concerned about, that would broaden the base, lower the rates. what that does is reinvigorates the economy and get back to the average -- >> you understand a grand bargain that comes forward -- by the way, i was like a 95% acu conservative rating, jeffery sachs is scared to be seen in the streets with me because i'm so conservative ideologically -- there's grand bargain that's going to save social security, save medicare, save medicaid for the next generation, make tough choices on national defense we're going to have to have a tax reform bill that is going to bring in more revenue -- >> as a share of national -- >> more revenue to the federal government and not just through the sort of means we talk about like growing the economy -- >> i was -- >> and that may be. but -- that may be. >> you're open to that. >> but the process is that the

house passes something -- the senate passes something and let's get together and work on what the solution is. what has happened the senate has absolutely stalled -- >> but the process is broken and the blame game is the paradigm. each side blames the other for not solving the problem and don't want to solve the problem because it works better politically not to solve the problem. i voted for the '93 clinton budget the one democrats only, i almost lost in '94. i won by 800 votes. that set up -- i heard you say this, joe, a few other changes which were bipartisan and then came this fabulous vote in 1997 for a balanced budget. and then came five years of prosperity. that's a movie i would like to see again. but we have to be brave to do it. >> in 1993, this is what happens, in 1993, you guys pass a tax increase which of course i -- the largest tax increase in the history of mankind was going to kill the world. it got people like me' elected,

right. two years later, we enacted tough spending cuts -- >> which i was for. >> but every other democrat comparing us to bull connor and saying we wanted to throw grandma out in the street and kill babies and eat their limbs. >> those were the good old days. >> penny kasic. >> republicans and democrats. $100 billion. >> those two what was done in '93, '95, the deal done with bush in 1990, it all added up to explosive economic growth over a decade. >> and a huge bipartisan vote for a balanced budget in '97. >> it's not just the budget. every single issue that we could highlight in this manner. health care is a classic example with a bill passed two years ago plus, was simply a one-sided bill. this isn't the way to govern this. >> so you're a doctor answer this question. why does the united states of america spend more money per patient, per person than any country on the planet and yet we don't get the best results?

>> it's a complex answer. one, we do often get the best results. look at the top five cancers in the world, we have the highest quality results. we also count more money, if you go down to the drug store this afternoon and buy a band-aid, that counts for health care expen sures in this country whereas it doesn't in other nations. the system is at it should be because the status quo is unacceptable, doesn't work for patients and doesn't work for physicians in this land. that doesn't mean you have to put the government in charge. doesn't mean you have to put washington in charge. there are wonderful solutions that don't put washington in charge of your health care. >> lot of good solutions on the table we didn't take in health care reform which i did support. i come from a family of medical doctors. joe klein wrote this piece in "time" magazine. >> don't spend much time with him but go ahead. >> two weeks ago called "how we die" which made a valid point. those of us who lost our parents we know that how we die can make a big difference if we intervene

in the last days of life. would save our country -- >> we as a family, but also if we have appropriate medical health that understands and advises on how things could be better. >> i don't know how the system has changed, but if i talk about the cleveland clinic does it, and they reward their doctors based on results. they don't reward their doctors based on giving tests. right now we have a system that rewards doctors that rewards hospitals that rewards medical providers by performing tests that bring more money in to the bottom line. they all get richer and how they grow new wings. the cleveland clinic does it the right way. >> does it the right way for the cleveland clinic. the problem is if you look at the cleveland clinic -- >> no, hold on a second. i have to stop you there. as a small government conservative that believes in the market, we're always talking ability results. this should be about a results. if a teacher is terrible get them out. if a teacher is good give them a raise. why don't we do the same thing with doctors? >> that was joe's point.

>> if a doctor gives a good result give him a raise. if he gives a test that doesn't make me any better i don't care if i have 12 mris if i still can't walk why is that hospital making all that money? >> my point is what's right for the cleveland clinic isn't necessarily right for atlanta, georgia orp appleton, wisconsin. i visited theta care, the physician in charge of that has changed the dynamic in a way rewarding results making the highest quality of care can be delivered. a different model than the cleveland clinic but it's working for appleton and green bay. we ought to be allowing physicians and communities to be able to have the kind of system that works for them. >> we don't have 30 years to have this organically passed. medicaid is going bankrupt, medicare is going bankrupt. we're going to have to figure out -- >> models out there that work. >> find those models and scale them in washington. >> pass them in the house and senate rather than just fight. >> congressman tom price and

former congressman jane harman, thank you so much. >> just moved congress's approval rating up to 9.5%. you are now a half point higher. >> not so fast. >> sorry, so hard. still ahead we'll talk to former state department official ann-marie slaughter about her revealing article examining the realities of working mothers and why she says women still can't have its all. also, oscar winning producer harvey weinstein joins us in the studio. "morning joe" back in a moment. [ buzz ] off to work! did you know honey nut cheerios is america's favorite cereal? oh, you're good! hey, did you know that honey nut cheerios is... oh you too! ooh, hey america's favorite cereal is... honey nut cheerios

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public affairs, craig shirley, books include "reagan's revolution, the untold story of the campaign that started it all." >> he writes one a week. >> out with a piece published in washingtonian magazine where he gives details on how the infamous so-called watergate five were arrested. writes, though not reported in "the washington post" police blotter on june 17th five burglars dressed in suits but wearing surgical gloves would be arrested at the watergate complex in foggy bottom by three plains clothed police officers from the bum squad setting off a chain of events that changed the course of history. >> craig, reading this article what's fascinating is, it seems that if the cops that were supposed to be doing their jobs, were doing things other than watching like "lavern and shirley" instead of doing their beat, that this whole watergate

episode may have never gone down the way it did. >> well, that's the irony of it. if the cop that was assigned to that patrol area that night had shown up, in his -- in uniform in his squad car with presumably the sirens whaling and lights flashing the spotter across the street in the howard johnson's would have had time to get on his walkie-talkie and warn the burglars law enforcement was there and to get out. of course that law enforcement officer had to go up six flights of stairs before getting to the dnc, democratic headquarters, on the sixth floor of the watergate hotel. so if things had gone the way they were supposed to go, then the burglars would have escaped. >> what was the guy doing instead, playing ping-pong with forest gump? >> not quite. apparently sitting at a bar that was notorious at the time called p.w.'s, drinking rum and cokes and i got this from a co-owner of the bar, neighbor of mine,

bill lacey, vietnam war vet and hero was in the dmz for a number of years and leading a platoon there and bill was with his brother and another fellow rick stewart, owned p.w.'s restaurant right there on the same street as the palm here in washington. and he told me the story years ago, but he didn't want me to write it until a couple months ago. i said look, the 40th anniversary of watergate is coming up, let me write the story and he finally agreed to let me write the story about how the cop that was assigned to that squad car 80, assigned to that patrol area which included the watergate hotel, was getting drunk at a bar at about 2:00 in the morning. he couldn't respond. so he called the dispatcher back and said look, i can't -- look i'm low on gas is what he said and so then they called the backups who were the three undercover cops, they show up at the watergate plain clothes in 1972 ford sedan, and the spotter

across the street doesn't think anything of it. these three undercover cops basically saunter into the watergate and make the now famous arrest. >> craig, mark halperin here, would never challenge your nose for news. >> neffer. >> it's exceptional. is there any documentation for any of this or is it just the oral history of the -- of your neighbor? >> that's an excellent question. we received this, mark, fairly well and filed a request with the dc police department. i got a letter back that says, unfortunately due to retention skeds unless place at the time there are no records in existence within our agency which lists of the officers working that night who played no response in this assignment. the answer is there is no documentation. i think also -- we interviewed a lot of retired police officers we may have run into the famous blue wall of silence and i know about that, my father was a city firefighter in syracuse, new

york, a vow among the firefighters over mistakes made and we know also about how it operates in the military and operates in police forces. >> the first -- when the first call came in, according to your reports, they were very reluctant to go over there. >> when the first call came in -- well -- >> the dispatcher. >> the dispatcher contacted the police officer in question who was in squad car 80 and he was sitting at the bar and had his handheld there, and he said to the bartender after he had many rum and cokes said, i can't even stand and the bartender said, piece of cake. just call back and tell them you're low on gas and send the backups. the backups, this night, happened to be the three undercover cops who were actually patrolling for drug busts and purse snatchers and things like that. but those three officers radioed back apparently according to what they told us in our

interviews is that they didn't understand why they were going to do it, although it was not out of the ordinary for undercover cops to respond to break-ins, reports of break-ins and attempted break-ins. >> you wrote a column that got talk about jeb bush. took jeb bush to task saying the republican party should be more willing to make deals. is jeb now officially out of the craig shirley fan club? have you declared him a rhino, unfit for office. >> always been a member of my fan club. >> and that's all he'll say. okay. >> no. he backed up on his comments about the tax increases so i think that goes to the point that i was trying to make in the piece and that is, that there's -- there's a schism inside the republican party and mitt romney needs to pull the party together if he's going to -- unify parties tend to win

in the fall, divided parties tend to lose in the fall. >> all right. the bartender's tale in the issue of "the washingtonian." thank you so much. >> thank you, craig. >> thanks, joe. >> up next, consultant for the manchester city football club gary hopkins set to watch his own player mario bell telelead england past italy. through his conflicted emotions and rest of the euro cup next on "morning joe." the president from interview: i talk to folks on rope lines and in coffee shops. people who have been out of work. you can tell it wears on them. narrator: he's fought to pull us out of economic crisis for three years. and he still is. president obama's plan keeps taxes down for the middle class, invests in education and asks the wealthy to pay their fair share. mitt romney and his billionaire allies can spend milions to

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open for man city, she in charge of development. gary hopkins. my son and i are huge england fans. we cheer for england in international competitions. i absolutely love it every four years. a very bad day for england yesterday. >> it didn't work out well. disappointing really. >> a miserable game on both sides. >> neither side seems to want to be brave and win it. it's a game of chances. you look at the chances and what a shot that was in the third.

had that gone in the game, it would have changed and opened up. that was a phenomenal shot. this was a glorious chance and i am not sure how he missed that. it could have gone anywhere. the first five minutes, that was an exciting start in the game. >> i love john terry, but he had a good match. joe hart, man city goalkeeper, he was phenomenal. >> he has been a revelation. >> he has, but for americans watching this, they were watching a match where neither side seemed to want to score. england never got close to the goal, but how many times did you see him down there? he was by himself surrounded by

five english men trying against hope to score a goal? >> both teams were into losing more than winning. they had no history at all and that was one of the most penalties to take. that's a game-changer. >> that goal kicks it right to him. >> normally a great goal scorer. this was the winning penalty. >> absolutely no doubt. no doubt that he was going to put his in. it was a miserable effort. for those who were watching as it was going, it looked like if young made that goal that went off the top bar, he knew he was going to win. >> the pressure is on italy to score. little minute things in the competition change everything.

every time i check. it's pressure. >> it's a miserable run for england's team. two years ago the world cup and four years ago didn't even qualify. these guys are too old. you have to move them along and get young players in there. >> they actually play the team. they played tremendously well. they are pushing forward and going out there and trying to win it. >> so we have germany, portugal, italy and spain. who is going to win it? >> look at the numbers. germany made 20 and 75 and 28. you know germany is strong. spain will sneak in the final.

semi finals for germany and italy. >> germany is not going to lose. mika, who do you like out of the four? >> germ 18. it looks like they are going to win. sorry. >> 20 of the last 28 tournaments. spain has got so much. i can't see germany. >> i'm going with spain. >> interesting. >> spain. mika, you are going with germany. i think spain is a smart bet. >> people under estimate how interested people are. >> i have tweens in my town wearing the soccer jerseys. >> the last five years. 82% increase in ratings over the

last euros. the final probably will be five or six million. it's going great. >> for three reasons. you, roger bennett and "morning joe." >> we are doing our thing. >> espn does a big deal. >> they do a great job. they got behind it for premarket for the game itself. they do it really, really well. they do it authentically. they love it. the kids now between 12 and 24-year-olds now, soccer is the second most popular sport. >> thank you so much. thank you as well. coming up next, the results in the muslim brotherhood that is officially in charge in egypt. we will talk about the global implication when is "morning joe" comes back.

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test pattern from w nbc 1957. >> very handsome. you have a very welcoming face. we have the president of the council on foreign relations. and former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve ratner. a lot going on. >> a lot of news and why don't we start in egypt. financial times and islamist win. >> good day to have richard on. millions forced jose mubarak to step down. the head of the muslim brotherhood is set to take over. it was met by widespread celebrations in cairo's tahrir square. he was trained as an emergency and becomes the first elected in islamic head of state. he took in 52% of the vote and

the transition faces significant hurdles between long standing tensions between the muslim brotherhood and new rulers. they seize new control and limited the breech of presidential power. >> what's the import of this. >> the military and egypt decided they couldn't have a confrontation. they department want to be faced with the choice of backing down or killing people. as mik adjust said, there is no constitution and no parliament and stripped the presidency of the power. >> how much power by the end of the day? >> by the end of the day, they have a lot. this sets the stage between the military and the muslim brotherhood. overtime i would put my bet with the muslim brotherhood. this is a long way to play out

and there is a showdown between the brotherhood and the military. sooner or later that showdown will be resolved and we will find out, what is the muslim brotherhood planning to do with power. the streets or in jail. they are one step away from running egypt. this sets the stage for the confrontation. >> the egyptian military is still in charge? >> absolutely. they are in charge of it either, but i don't see how they endure. >> dozens of syrian troops have defected to turkey including comes and 33 soldiers. turkey is the president's action after one of its military jets was shot down by syria over the weekend. str straining an all right sense

situation. they were testing radar and they briefly crossed into syrian territory. 15 minutes later the plane was shot down after turkey said the dead returned to international airspace. they are dismissing speculation that the plane was running a spy mission. they continue for the two missing pilots. hillary clinton called them brazen and unacceptable. turkey backed plans from power and nato is expected to meet about the incident tomorrow. >> back to you. it seems that now the syrians have unnecessarily upped the ante. >> turkey is not jumping all over this and not as if they are looking for their version to go to war. what's happening to me is the largest story and you see unraveling. i take that as good news and i think this regime doesn't have

that much longer to survive and not that you will need a turkish or nato-led sanction, but more arms with cia guidance and you are beginning to see the defections. they are peeling away from the regime and that's the trend we want to see. >> what a huge week in washington, d.c. the eyes of the nation on the supreme court. the momentous decision coming down that can shape not only the way people get their health care, but how the election turns out at the end of the day. >> we try to game out who is going to win. we can't say who is going to win until the court decides and how everyone will handle it. governor romney will put himself front and center when the decision comes down. he will not leave it to members of congress and others involved in the debate.

it will be an interesting debate about politics and policy. health care is going to have to be figured out. >> everyone was talking about it yesterday. >> leaving voices from both parties from fallout to the health care ruling on nbc's "meet the press." >> it's a huge defeat and they strike any part down in the individual mandate for the american people. just this week, several million kids got health insurance. there will be a uproar against a politicized supreme court. they are making political decisions. the interstate commerce clause dictates that this can happen it will energize the democratic base. that is important for the president. >> the health care loss is discouraging job creation and expansion of business in america. that issue will continue to be faced with the laws of health

and republicans hopefully have the majority and president romney will have to come up with a way to replace what obama care does. >> you are looking at the week ahead and the big question is whether anthony kennedy decides to overturn obama care or not. what are you looking at? >> i have no idea what they are going to do. he made clear he would rather not have a totally partisan court and like to have decisions by something other than a 5-4 majority. how he can make it work. the stakes for the president are high. from a political standpoint, losing would be tough for him in this campaign and i think a wrong decision for the country. >> could he build a bad out come as into the narrative that the republicans, even a conservative core are part of what's stalling this country? >> it's hard. >> you know, i thought that a

loss could be a win for the democrats and i go back to -- >> a loss is a loss. >> bill clinton in 93 and 94 and 95 and 96. he figured out how to win. that's when i learned politically americans love winning. things can be going terribly for you, but if you get the big win, legislatively or any other way, they turn your way. they since strengthened and my opinion is shifting now. i think the health care plan is bad news for the president politically. >> whatever the court rules is bad for the president. that is not my opinion, but reporting for a lot of democrats. all the law which is unpopular. even if the laws upheld, advertising and campaign

rhetoric will be all about health care. democrats were largely there. including the president who put health care to the side. >> why are democrats hiding from health care? >> it's unpopular. >> they wasted 18 months of a filibuster-proof majority fighting for health care reform and why are they all running away from it? >> personally i think the health care bill would be a great step forward. it would be up there with medicare and a lot of other things that happened with social programs that really make it a long-term impact. what you have to understand is that it is heavily devoted towards insuring the uninsured. it does things for the other 320 million americans and the children under 26 and preexisting conditions. this bill is about insuring the uninsured.

that's not the most popular thing. >> also supposedly about controlling cost. the president is convinced it will, but he has not convinced them. >> everybody said it's not going to control costs. >> the idea to extend health insurance to 30 million more people and it will be neutral, nobody bought into it. >> they kept fighting for it. i don't understand. what do we expect? tuesday or wednesday? >> thursday i think. i don't think it will be today. >> so how -- it could be a defeat for president obama clearly. i think we have come become to that. how much of a game for mitt romney looking at it in terms of the election? >> he wants to run on the -- i'm doing things different than the president on the pipeline and the budget.

>> he's the got father of this health care plan. can he run against a health care plan that he helped write? >> he can say what he said. i will replace it and washington shouldn't tell the states what to do. he survived the fight finessing health care. that was the real challenge. his message is simple. the court if they strike it down, he will say it needs to be replaced. do you want to replace it with me or the guy who wasted a year and a half. if you don't like the law, the only way to replace it is not through the court, but a new president. he will be aggressive and yes, people in the press will say you passed a law like that. he will go through it in the nominating fight. >> he has a rift of saying that it was right for massachusetts, doesn't mean it's right for every state. what's the federal government doing and let the state decide

if they want health care like this. that's fine. if they don't, that's fine too. like marco rubio about the arizona law and immigration. it may be right for arizona, but not right for florida. they are working their way through. >> over the weekend, i was focused on europe and always focused on europe. reasons different than you. i was watching euro 2012. but front page of the financial time, spain is asking for a bailout. the "wall street journal" talks about a new austerity champion in the spanish government. the bank, my gosh. all the banks that got downgraded on friday after we went off the air. does it keep getting worse? are. >> let's start with europe. the spanish news is not new. they asked for the bailout a while ago. this is a big week in europe too

and a big week for health care. you have a meeting in which people are expecting something to happen. what europe needs next is to do something to shore up the banks. the scary part of europe that doesn't get as much attention is you can have a run on the bank in europe. people start to pull deposits from the banks in europe. that would be devastating and something that would be difficult for the ecb to be able to deal with. >> so that's what the minsters are focused on for this week. to try to put in place the framework for some kind of europe-wide banking system of aid and regulation and it will be another week where if they do something, people will exhale and if they don't, it will be a high wire act. >> with europe on this issue, we should prepare ourselves for

disappointment. can they have something good in it? >> i prefer you didn't, but go ahead. >> there is an extraordinary event. martin mcginness, a leader in northern ireland used to be one of the leaders in the provisional ira will meet the queen. you will have the queen and northern ireland shaking the hand of someone who has a past with terrorism. this is at least as big if not bigger in the british-irish context shaking yasser arafat's hand. it's the next stage in the normalization of the northern ireland peace process and becoming a place defined by the troubles where 3,000 people lost their lives in years and years of civil war. this is a normal part of europe now. an extraordinary development. this is an amazing thing.

>> who would believe this? going back to the violence of the 70s and 80s and who would believe this? a key role there richard. we will give you the credit for it. it's pretty remarkable. >> tony blair deserves the credit. this is a remarkable milestone. i never thought in my lifetime i would see them. the ira killed the queen's cousin less than 25 years ago. her favorite cousin gets killed with other members of the family and you have people willing to put the past behind. this is a symbol of what sometimes can happen in politics. we haven't seen anything like it in the mideast. >> i have to bring this up. give me a full page here. we have to my left, richard hoss, a new york yankees fan. to my right, steve ratner. he has been suffering with the mets for a long time. it was a heck of a series, guys.

at the end of the day, your mets and yankees. >> the yankees and eighth inning home run. sabathia beat dickey. >> we should have won. we was robbed. >> the fat kid is doing this well. keep do june. what a surprise. they looked good this weekend. very good against the best team, one of the best teams in baseball. >> it's an amazing story and what people expected, they had great pitching and the defense is not as good, but seems to hang with critical moments and they hit the ball occasionally. >> we will talk about why women still can't have it all and why it breaks my heart. >> no, it doesn't. that's the problem. ann marie slaughter is out with a new article. it's a great color.

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right balance for women. also for the conversation, managing editor for the financial times, jillian, thanks for being with us. ann marie, like the opening scene, that is right in a nut shell describes the past 12 months. for me, i have a 14-year-old and a 13-year-old in the same situation. the bottom line is you can't be in two places at once. when you are a parent, there places you have to be and as a working mother, you can't be there. doing the job she was doing and doing the job you were doing, you can't make the right decision. you can't. people judge you for that and you judge yourself for that and it's a nightmare and that's why you can't have it all. >> you can't have it all in those kind of really high pressure jobs. i was in this fabulous foreign policy job, the same job richard hoss had, a wonderful job, but i

had a 14-year-old who was really having the problems lots of 14-year-olds have. he was 14. he really needed me to be at home. my husband was taking care of him and his brother during the week, but i needed to be at home. after two years on the job, this great job, i left it. i realized i have to go back to prince and back to a job where i can schedule my own time and schedule all sorts of things. i can be in charge of my time and make it work with my kids. >> so what was the response that you got from women who work? women who don't? different levels. it's interesting. >> that was a big part of the story for me. i served my two years, a normal two years to be there for this kind of a job. i go back to princeton and people i'm back, but also back because of my kids.

i got this very odd reaction from many women basically like it's a pity you couldn't cut it. you cooperate stay doing that job. i felt in the first place, that was just wrong. we actually need a society who said you have done that, now spend time with your kids. that's what women and working mothers and fathers need. that's a sense that you can take a high-powered job and you need to step back for a while. you need flexibility and a period of time where you can have kids and work. >> what did you feel when you read this piece? >> it was a fantastic piece and i salute her for being brave. it's hard to have it all. you can't have it all at the same time. you can live your life and i have taken book leave and about

to do another soon. i'm greatful for that. one thing is these are the choices out of luxury. i spent the early parts of my career working in pakistan and iran and afghanistan where millions of women don't have these choices. one thing i have learned is we have to be grateful for what we do have. whether you stay at home and be with your children or have the blessings of having a career. looking at it as half full and not half empty is way to leading a happy life. it's very, very tough. >> i agree and we are all by the standards of certainly most american women we have it all. we have great jobs and kids. that's wonderful. i think one of the things that is so important and i get so many reactions and most of them do say i cried when i read the article. just to be honest. that's what you have in your book. to be honest about the fact that it's hard and if you feel the

tension and you can't do it the way you thought, don't blame yourself. >> what made you cry? specifically. >> the opening scene. that was the past year. the struggles i had with one of my kids. she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. she needed to be with her children and her children needed her and she couldn't. that happens a lot with a job like this. i grapple with it every day and the thing that i ultimately know is that i can't do everything i'm doing well. i can just -- >> but you can do it. >> i try to juggle. everybody in my family pays a price for my job. nobody in my family pays a price for my husband's job. >> i spoke to the head of the

ims who made a point and said when her eldest son grew up said i'm proud of you. that for her was a turning point. my oldest daughter said the same thing to me and realizing that you can -- maybe you were not a perfect mother, but there other ways to be a mother. >> those are the moments to keep you going. >> i was talking about when i went back to work, i was so exhausted that i wanted to sleep in the daytime. the only place i could catch five minutes of sleep was on the floor of the restroom in the office. i used to lie dun for five minutes and sleep. it's undignified because i wanted to show young women who look at women who see successful see the shining outside, but not the struggle. it's important to be honest about struggle. >> i would say because i was talking about your article with

a fellow mother in my town who was taking a car load of kids including mine away for a night. we were talking about the article and the thing we took away and the thing we don't do well yet is we all make decisions. each decision has a sacrifice and a ramification and i think if we wouldn't judge the decisions, we would probably be able to help each other more. each decision is extremely difficult. it has its challenges. >> we can help change the workplace. it's going to be hard. it's hard for working fathers. the workplace is designed for people who go in early who work 40 straight years and don't take time out for child bearing or child rearing. that is the workplace and countless ways to change. >> do you feel resentment that you had to make the decision that you had to make.

i wouldn't have had to make the decision, but at 14 or when my son was 14, i was in congress. you say 14-year-olds are 14-year-olds. i knew i had to quit in the middle of my congressional career and go home and have my son under my roof. it was for me of course an easy, but a tough decision professionally. these are decisions most men don't have to make. the women make it every day. were you recentful of the fact that like mika said, everybody suffers from my job, but nobody suffers from my husband's job. >> i have a wonderful husband who is an academic and can spend time with the children, he actually spends more time with our sons in lots of ways. i wasn't recentful and i felt like it was a right choice. as a feminist and career woman,

i didn't expect that i was going to want to make this choice. grown recent is the right word, but lots of women can do this better if we gave them more flexibility and said hey, look, over the course of your career, there going to be times you may need to step back. >> the workforce is changing. when i became a lawyer in 1990, you had to be in an office and it had to have a lot of books and huh to have all the support staff. there is no reason why a brilliant mind can't work for a top law firm in new york city while she is raising her kids in pennsylvania on west law without the stacks of books and with all the forms. seems to me we are moving into an age where women are not going to have to make these decisions

quite so often. >> we should be, but here's one great example. one woman wrote she is very successful and working in the general council's office in the foundation as part of a major university. she is 33 and had one kid and wants to have a second. she grapples with this and says i can be general council, but i have to work from home one day a week. they said no and they are bringing in somebody else. that's the change we have to make. we can make it, but a lot of people are not. >> because men are still running -- is that the case? >> the workplace is set up for men. >> the state department has a good woman running it. >> she would come in later and leave earlier precisely because she knew that allowed the parents working to get their kids to school before they came in including the chief of staff.

she was still working from home and morning and night. so were all of we, but we had more flexibility. >> not enough of us to go around even with that. i'm just saying. i'm sorry. i'm not hopeful. >> i think -- this article had almost 800,000 hits in five days. the number of people who want this change is much bigger than i think we realize. >> in terms of -- we should be applauding each other's choices whatever choice we make and recognizing the choices is not necessarily the choice you make through the rest of your life. it's fine to go for a period of time and be downsized and great to go back and up size. it doesn't have to be one thing all the time. >> it happens for some women. it's a juggle. did you all see deep yet? i saw it. the relationship that she has with her daughter or lack there of is hysterical and hits way

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i don't know how she does it. >> i thought it was a cute movie. i saw your last segment and we made that movie and i don't understand why the women didn't see it. >> if you are chuging it every day, you don't want to go on the weekend. >> watching it, it's the weeks after seeing the movie that you go oh, my god, that's me. that's me. >> because of the civil war and i know this because i heard stay at home moms talk about it. i heard working moms talk about it. there was a great divide and both sides hated each other after watching the movie. that's fascinating. it's true to life. it revealed a much deeper truth that we were talking about the last segment. >> people are hungry for movies that are so great in the connections. the great thing about this film is it celebrates the fact that at the end of the day, we are all part of humanity.

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time to talk about what you learned today. >> every morning i need to e-mail you a photo of my tie for preapproval. >> i like it. what did you learn? >> harry gets to know us on camera and it's reassuring for the rest of us. >> i learned that women can't have it all. we should have anne-marie back. >> we should.